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| Disgrace | Aug 6 2006, 08:09 PM Post #1 |
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You know, I always hear of certain feminists complaining about how women are always discriminated against, how they have less rights, ect. Now, I am all for equal rights, but.................... 1) If a guy hits a woman, its abuse. If a woman hits you, its self defense. 2) If you divorce, the wife has the advantage. For some reason, the wives always get the house........even if the husband made more money. 3) they are ALWAYS bitching about movies. Films like "Ichi the Killer" and "NEw York Ripper" have scenes that have a character torturing a woman. Both were accused of being misogynistic. Of course, if a male ever gets tortured/maimed/brutally murdered......I never hear a thing. Why are women left out and not men? Kids I can see but somehow women dying in movies is somehow more controversial than men...........its also stupid, because unless the movie makes this violent treatment of women to be a good thing, its not misogynistic at all, only a certain character is. 4) The Mother also had the advantage in taking custody over the kids. 5) I hear womens prison is nicer than mens prison.......although I cant say that for sure. Everything else, women seem to be at least equal. The only thing is politics, my esteemed Governor in Arizona is a woman and I think she's terrible.....but I could also say Bush is terrible so all men must be so that isn't a good argument at all. So.....why are Feminists complaining? Somehow women seem to have the advantage in almost everything. Im not sexist either. I am all for womens rights and believe all humans are equal. I just don't like BS'ing. Which Feminists seem to be doing..... |
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| Silver Raditz | Aug 6 2006, 08:23 PM Post #2 |
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Something I've noticed, that because I'm a man I'm prejudged as maninualtive and/or stupid. A lot of the time I don't get resepcet from my female peers for no real reason. I agree from what it was, that it should have changed but it swong to far in the other direction. |
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| Pookie | Aug 7 2006, 03:00 AM Post #3 |
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UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. Look don't even go there. I am a strong woman and look I respect men. For thousands of years women had to put up with male superiority. Like give us some respect for once. For thousands of years men have put women down, it is time that men have stepped back and give the women some respect. Always with these male egos. I respect men of course I do, I just don't like when they complain about some of the advantages a woman has. Have you ever considered the past too? We didn't get to vote until 1920, why is that!?!? Oh because we dont have brains!?!? Like come on. For thousands of years women had to put up with that crap because of the damn Adam and Eve story. It wasn't just Eve's fault it was Adam's too, he ate the apple, for thousands of years women had to suffer because people don't know how to read. Have you ever read some of the things doctors in the past said about women? In the past men considered women dumber because our brains were smaller, but in reality we are actually smarter because we have more chromosones and brain cells, and guess what? Women have surpassed men in going to college they have left them in the dust. About politics. Women can be just as good as men in politics. For all I know nobody can screw it up worse than Bush has. Not just that, but Hilary Clinton is a Senator of New York and she does an incredible job. I want to become Senator too, and that just annoyed me so much. Look women and men should be considered as equal. That is all women want. That is all. I mean men have their advantages and women have their advantages, it all evens out. Also you say that women's prisons are better. Have you considered that most women don't commit as serious of crimes as men. They do commit crimes, but you hear more about men committing crimes then you do of women. Also allllllllllllllllllllllllllll dictators have been men. So you know lets not get into feminism, because I get really, really, extremely, upset and angered at this topic. Also have you considered that some women may not be able to continue their careers like men can in a marriage because women have to give birth and raise up the kids. That is why sometimes they get the advantage in divorce and the kids. Women can continue their careers, but they have it harder because they also have to be there for their kids, thats why they are trying to create day care centers at jobs so women can take their kids there and continue pursuing their careers. Some women cant even continue sports in professional leagues because there arent. For example, soccer. I cant play in a professional league, you know why??? BECAUSE THERE ISN'T ANY. Not just that but you know Danica patrick, you know how she races with all those men. THey were putting her down before she even started racing and now look at her, she is kicking all the mens butts, and now their are more women entering racing. Women have hands, they have feet, why can't they race, what are they missing???????? Jeezes! |
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| Silver Raditz | Aug 7 2006, 03:12 AM Post #4 |
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I agree with every word you say and for the I respect femisism but I DO NOT respect EXTREME femisism. The kind that has no respect for me for no reason. Do not punish the son for the sins of the father (that works very aptly in this case)! I will stand of for the rights of those who are wrong, I helped get a very chovanistic bastard of a teacher fired. I helped get (my) jewish communty be represtented at my elementary and middle schools. I desirve to stand and shout when someone has wronged me. Do you agree, regardless of who I am? |
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| Pookie | Aug 7 2006, 03:17 AM Post #5 |
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Men and Women were created as equals. That is the way I see it, no side of the gender should make one feel inferior or superior. When you are in love a man needs a woman as a woman needs a man. That is the way it should be looked at. Extreme feminists need to chill and move on. Yeah men have screwed us over in the past, but we jus showed that we are stronger and overcame it. I just don't like how men now and days think women have it easy. You don't live in a woman's shoes, how can judge. I never say oh a man's life is easy, they have difficulties we don't face. Lol except for labor, and periods, men got lucky with that, but thats the way the world should see it. Men..Women equal. None better than the other. |
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| Silver Raditz | Aug 7 2006, 03:29 AM Post #6 |
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Yup! We have our strength and weakness of course. And we need to respect both those things. BTW: I think women still got it a bit tougher then guys, but here's to hope for the future *grabs a drink... and well... drinks it!* |
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Aug 10 2006, 08:20 AM Post #7 |
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People like you FORCE me to post, I'm dead serious. XD Now, let's think... Why do women have to deal with male superiority? How about, because it was meant to be. Since the dawn of the world, men have been the stronger, wiser, protector. Women are treated nicely and everything and they can vote and crap and wear whatever they want and they can have freedom of speech, privacy and all that... but come on. When have women been the leader? Hilary clinton? Please, she's doing an incredible job? I live in NY, and Hilary Clinton does a bad job. The Prime Minister of Bangladesh, for example, is a woman, and has not helped the country. Women can't be leaders and it's proven. women carry the naive, foolish and girlish traits that can not allow them to lead. Oh, and women are not smarter because they have more brain cells. Women are, like I said, naive. I don't know what makes women think nowadays they're smarter than men. Do women have that intelligence men have? do they have that instinct men have? do they have the wisdom men have? do they have that knowledge of the world, enviroment, and way to survive, like men do? Not likely. You know why women are getting accepted to more colleges? college admissions are biased. focusing SATs, essays and all that crap on the easiest subject, literature. literature may help, but what about science, geography, math,history and all that? now you say women have to raise kids. what if some husbands don't want them to? why do you think so many young boys that are mommied too much become like them? and wtf are you talking about? no pro soccer league. maybe in america (not sure) but look around the world. look at the olympics, i mean how can you forget the name: Mia Ham? The fact is women may always get equal rights but it's bs how it's always biased towards them. That's not all women want. They want more, they want to be in charge (lol, like that'll ever happen) Let men have their egos, and I guess I'll be okay with women's bitching. You hear about men committing crimes because they actually can. All men had become dictators for a reason. People don't become dictators for nothing. Women are missing that mental toughness and emotional control. plain and simple, and it will always be this way. |
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| ssjmkm | Aug 12 2006, 05:00 AM Post #8 |
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I have a few views on this but i will only state some of them in brief. Sure men are stupid, so are girls. Hence blonde jokes. Women now a days only get attention when they dress with very little clothing on and act sexual on purpose. They think they have control, its only because men want sex all the time to show that they are superior. More men do more crimes because of fighting and rage. When men get angry, we hit things. When women get angry they become spiteful and instead of hitting the person, they ruin their lives socially. Women were meant to be stay at home because they would raise the kids and get all the house stuff done. Sure they aren't getting paid for it or can call it a career, but thats what a woman's job was to be. In animals anyway, the mother stays and raises her young. The Males would do their own thing by killing animals and bringing them back. Thats what nature attended. The reason adam ate the apple was cuz if he didnt' eve would have bitched at him for ever until he did it. A lot of times, women are more trustworthy and oversee things than men are. Because women are more sweet natured and forgiving. Men tend not to be. I just hate that women always have to say that they are superior and all this crap, and when they dont' get their way, all hell breaks loose. Women should grow up and try to be equal and not use sex to gain power. Ever think that maybe men didnt want women in politics because they didn't want women worrying about all that boring crap that doesn't really matter anyway? It's like how i view slavery, what was done was done, its been almost a hundred years since this stuff happened, get over it and move on and stop bringing it up. Slavery more like 200-300 years ago. Hillary is the reason why women shouldn't be in politics. She's crap. Bush didn't screw much up as most people seem to believe. The war is what most people hate him for. There already is a topic bout that so i wont' go into detail. At least Bush didn't sexually harass all the women that worked for him like some ex president. The only reason you like hilary is because she is a woman who hates Bush. |
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| Pookie | Aug 20 2006, 06:12 PM Post #9 |
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Mia Hamm? Wow one? Couldn't you name anymore? There are many great women athletes who are shadowed, trust me, there are many. Look everything you said is exactly why we have Feminisn in this world. Women can be just as good as leaders as men, if not better. Men were born to rule? Um........men are stronger, wiser? Who said this? For many years smart, intelligent women were shunned from the existance of world because men were afraid and insecure. Excuse me, but women are leaving men in the dust when it comes to reading skills and math skills. Look it up in the statistics. Why do you think we even had a t.v show "Commander and chief" Because people are starting to get more trust in women now and days. I promise you, if there is a female president, Iwill rub it in every man's face I PROMISE you. Men have better instincts? Have you even read sociology books? Did you know that for many years female gatherers in villages, were actually the ones who could tell what type of animals passed through the area, what they had eaten, how long of a distance they traveled, and then they would tell the male hunters where to go...or did you miss that part? Of course men take the credit, yup has been that way. For many thousands of years women have been in in the shadows, just because they don't pick up a gun like retards and go out into battle and kill each other in a bloody mess. You have a male ego problem. Trust me if there is a woman president, you will be the first one I come to, to rub it in your face. Lmfao, you hear men actually commiting crimes becaues they can? I LOOOOOOOOOOVED THAT QUOTE. Wow you just basically dissed your whole male gender, you know that right? It's men like you who make your gender look bad. I never knew creating a crime, was a good thing? There have been many great female leaders, thank you very much. Queen Elizabeth? Joan of Arc? Queen Isabella of Spain. Many other queens, which I don't feel like listing at this point, because it is pointless too, haven't you ever heard of the quote. "Behind every good man, there is a better woman" BOOM, peace. Mental toughness? Do you even know what a woman goes through? Have you ever had a period, and had to go do activies on a normal basis, without showing pain? Um..do you want to have a wife and kids? Do you know what it is to go through labor? Um...yeah I think you seriously have a lot of male issues to deal with. That is exactly why we have feminism in this world folks, because we have males like Island, who think just because they have two testicles, that they are superior to a vagina...right...right...keep thinking that way because when there is a female president, I will just love the reaction. That is why women are so strong, because they had to overcome male egos like that. Just keep pushing through women, that is the way it is. Not once did I bash on a man ever, but it seems that men (not all men, just a few) always want to put women down, why is that? Do you have some problem, will your testicles suddenly shrink if their female counterparts are strong, not like they aren't already? Why can't you just accept that females and males were created equal, what is THE MATTER with saying this. I'm really pissed right now from reading what you said, because you just bashed women, for what? Do you have a problem getting a girlfriend? Are you bitter? Get over yourself. Please. As for ssj. Do you ever watch animal planet or discovery channel? I think you got your facts off a disney movie or something... Do you watch female parents in the wild? They raise their young on THEIR OWN and they hunt and they do WHATEVER a MALE ANIMAL DOES. THEY KILL, THEY HUNT, THEY FEED THEIR YOUNG, ALLLLLLLL ON THEIR OWN BABY. WHAT DO MALE ANIMALS DO??? Nothing, they are just there to spread their seed, that is basically their roll in life. Most if not all predator females do EVERYTHING ON THEIR OWN, oh yeah have you ever watched a pack of lions, yeah uhhh without female lions, ummm male lions are totally useless...except for redproduction purposes, and maybe a little protection here and there, but uh, not like they need it because I mean they are like 8 lionesses and they can take care of their ownselves, since they love each other. Birds, um both male and female birds have to get food for their young and sit on the eggs. I hope you realize that too? Excuse me, but look up your facts first before you open and start typing stupid crap. A woman was meant to stay at home? Hello, we have interests too, we want to accomplish things too, dude you are living in the 1900's, the only reason women didn't do the things they do today, is because they didn't have the same rights as they do now. I have goals in life, do you think I just want to stay home and pop up babies? Like a slot machine? Ummmmmmmmm no? I want to be somebody in life, so do other women in this world. Honestly, you have a lot of issues too. You guys actually don't read politics at all. You do realize that Hilary Clinton is a top gunner to Presidency, right? Oh and shall we remember Rice as secretary of defense.................oh yes, she is doing an INCREDIBLE job. Wow there goes that stereotype, wow...that sucks for mankind doesn't it. Oh and lets not forget the female President of Peru, who has made the economy there a whole lot better than before..yesssssssssssss....lets keep going on shall we. Women think they are superior? woow...that's definitely a change in personality, hmm. Could the reason be that ..oh wait weren't men like that for thousands of years...I believe so. Wow....no wonder there is feminism in this world..noo wonder. These two topics, just gave me a whole new perspective on why their is feminism still in this wonderful country of ours. Did we all forget Bill Clinton? Richard Nixon? Arnold Schwartz (grabbing girl's boobs and asses?) Hmm...Harrassment..alright I'll get back to that topic. All I'm going to say is if you are going to comment on something, please look up your facts. Thanks. I like Hilary Clinton because she can actually help this country's economy, why has she stayed as a New York Senator for so long? Uhh Duh? She has experience, she is smart, she knows what she is doing. Instead we have a bush who is a jackass, who always looks like he is in a suns glare, and has no idea what the hell he is saying. If that is what men consider intelligence, thennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn yes we definitely made a downgrade gentlemen. Oh and finally. Women are strong, we just don't show it. We keep it silent, inside. Showing emotions doesn't make you weak, it makes you a better person. Oh and back to Island. You said women don't have the instinct, bla bla bla. Just by arguing with you now, I'm a woman and damn I'm a lot more intelligent than you, that is a fact. Women had to survive harder things, environmental things just as men did, we as well have instincts (female intiution) too. As a matter of fact, Indians always looked up to women for their WISDOM, hmmm. Females have it too bub, they just don't show it (remember that.) |
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| Silver Raditz | Aug 20 2006, 06:46 PM Post #10 |
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Whatever happened to the gentleman anyway? One who is polite, resirved, repsects his fellow man and woman? That is a true man. Why do all guys now-a-days have to be "guys" and not men, because trust me, there is a differance! A real man would show respect to a woman higher than him, not spite her (unless of course she was unquified). A real man does not trash women, he instead defends them. A real man knows when it's time to change. And most importantly a real man would not let his ego get in the way of anyone else's life. There needs to be some modern-day Chivalry or something... |
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Aug 21 2006, 01:59 AM Post #11 |
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You are possibly the dumbest and most hypocritical member on this forum. I am sorry to Killer, and the rest of the Dragonball Z Forum staff excluding prchichi if some flames might occur. You act as if you've lived during the days of women's "suffErage" I'm the one who lives in the time of annoying pro-feminism. I have to hear stupid stuff like "Girl Power" and "women are smarter than men!" and all that crap with no fact at all. The dumb men are hippies, and people with problems or whatever. Those men who act dumb are straight out losers, hands down. More than half of men outside of the United States, are in fact, intelligent. As for the part where you said, do I have a problem getting a girlfriend, I laugh at that statement. If you know men well enough, we are the ones who play women all the time. I don't play my girlfriend but it's funny at how the others do to their's and the women don't even see it coming. Genetically, men are physically stronger. Women have the basic and important rights. I dont have a problem with that, actually I think those are neccesary. But the bitching about the army and all that crap... c'mon, the US wants to win their wars. I never bashed women. But you have bashed men. I have bashed stupid pro-feminism. You say women are mentally tough. lmao... crying for ***** all the time... materialistic... I love hunnies but I hate this pro feminist crap.. They say they dont cry about stupid crap and stuff, please dont rant about that.. i have nothing aganst women. i love my mom, grandma, girlfriend, friends that are girls, cousins, and aunts. But like I said they think theyre smarter, and they have "girl power" and they think they're "mentally tougher" give me a break. stop asking for enough rights, education is already turning biased towards feminists. so like I said, I love women. But I am anti-feminist, to an extent. not that radical. but it annoys me. Oh and you never, NOT ONCE, proved women are smarter. |
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| Pookie | Aug 21 2006, 11:37 PM Post #12 |
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Actually, you do have a lot of problem with women. I think you also have problems with your masculinity, I think you have to bash on women because you really aren't a man, and can't face the fact that women rock. Did you know that a woman can physically be as strong as a man if trained the right way. Did you know that women are better pilots because they genetically can handle G forces better? Women are better multitaskers (meaning they use more parts of their brain to do a lot of things at once, just in case you can't read.) Did you know that if all the men in the world died out, the women in the world would be able to adapt because we have testosterione in our body, which could then be evolve, in order to continue our species? Did you know that there have already been a few species of animals that have got rid of their males, and now are all females and now reproduce on their own. Hmm, makes you think doesn't it. No you didn't know that because you have your testicles get in the way of your thinking and your fact researching. I never said men are dumb, actually, you were the one who made the post saying women are dumb. I think I was generally the one that said men and women are equal, they BOTH have their strengths and weaknesses. Women always get played? Uhm....false? All women have to do to get a guy is put on some heels shake their hips, and they can get a man to do whatever the heck they want. I think it is the other way around. Hey you don't see many women going to a strip bar paying a man to get naked. Hmm, you know women can make a man do pretty much whatever they want, if they press the right cords. So get that straight. When you are talking about women being played, I think women play men more than you think. Not that I'm that type of woman because I have a boyfriend and I love him to death, but that is beside the point. You say men do this, that, this, that, this, that. Statistically, women have left men in the dust, I never said men are dumb, because they aren't, there are smart men. You my friend, are naive. You don't live inside of a woman's body, you don't know what she goes through, how dare you even say we aren't mentally tough, how dare you even stereotype. You have a girlfriend? How do you have a girlfriend? You don't give women respect, women deserve respect, instead of your stupid bashing. If you don't like pro women stuff, then go be a hippie or something. GIRL POWER ROCKS, get used to it because it is here to stay in this country. Remember this quote: "Behind every good man, there is a BETTER woman" |
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| Silver Raditz | Aug 22 2006, 05:50 AM Post #13 |
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The women in my life have more than proved themselves in my life. The most infuentuiel people in my life are all women, my rolemodels- women. Women have earned my respect and gratatude. My mom has taught me everything I know about right, wrong, and honor. My best friend in the world is a girl named Lizzie, who despite her difficult history has grown to a beutiful (yes I love her) intellegent woman, who can kick my ***** sideways! (she's a bloody double black-belt!). Do I feel intimedated by that, no. Do I feel less of a man, not in the least. Mind I wounldn't want her mad at me, but thats all in good humor and humilatey. So do I think women are less capible, I think you know that answer, it's no. Hell, I think women have a potentiol they haven't quite reached yet! I'll do my part to help the women in my life get there, when they want me to anyway~! |
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| Anonymous Friend | Aug 22 2006, 06:44 AM Post #14 |
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Wow, this issue of equality between the sexes seems to be big in this forum lately. But just to reiterate something that was said earlier:"If men and women were truly equals then we would have to be saying that men and women are equal." I the past men were the dominate sex and the women were the submissive one. Which I personally don't see anything wrong with, but the problems arose when some of those in power weren't being responsible and taking proper care of those in their charge. And in the last hundred years women have been trying to gain the respect of men. The reason women were not held in the same status and reverence as men was because the skills that were posessed by women were not those that were seem as the most prudent to lead. Plus the fact that men are so much stronger than women that they just seized power without much resistance. On the flipside of the is a truth that only a handful of women seem to truly grasp: in any male-female relationship while the male has the active power, the main decision making, and women have the passive power, the influence and ability to convince and persaude. And the later of the two is the most potent. If you doubt this, just think about a little more. Which is it easier to do: Drag a guy shoe and handbag shopping. And not only does he pay for everything, but is forced to carry all tha bags. Or, to get a girl to walk into a porn shop. A friend of mine once said, "If you have two guys walking toward each other on narrow path or tight corridor with no way for one to go around another, they would both more than likely be unwilling to back down and are liable to kill each other to get past. But replace one of the men with a female and not only would the man be turned around, but would have been convinced that it was his idea to to do so and would probably be carrying her purse." Know that I'm not saying that women should be all slutty to get what they want, but the is more power in an ounce of a women's allure and guile, than in every muscle in Arnold Swarchenegger's body. A lot has changed in a hundred years, women seem to have gotten the respect and independence they saught. But the seem to have only done so by acting like men. And in the words of a very wise man named Carlos Mancia: "Women don't want to be treated as equals with men, they want to be treated better." They want all the status and ranking of men but still be treated like woman. |
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| Pookie | Aug 23 2006, 03:57 PM Post #15 |
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I agree with you on somethings, but not all. My parents split decisions down the middle. In a relationship, now in days, women are earning salaries and I believe they should be able to make decisions and discuss with their partner. Marriage is equal and if you have the male just making decisions, that isn't a good relationship. I know if I'm making money, I want to be able to have a say in the matter. I know that is how it is with my boyfriend, we discuss things, instead of him just making the final decision. Times have changed, yeah a woman can pursuade her man to do what she wants, but she wants to have a final say in topics now. Women are more educated now, they are earning their own salaries, I believe they want to have equal power in a relationship, whereas, in the past, mostly all husbands were bread winners, so they could make the final decision on what he wanted for his family. I think people tend to forget that times have changed and women are progressing, working, getting rich, getting salaries, getting educated, everyone just has to adjust to the changes. Get over it, gender shouldn't even be an issue anymore. I liked your final quote by the way, but just remember women had to fight long and hard to get where they are at now. |
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